back at it again
Going to head out soon to play some more live poker....probably caesars or bellagio, 5/10. had a decent day online, despite some rather unfortunate setups/suckouts. Standard stuff.
here's an interesting hand from last night's live session. 2-5nl caesars. lady on my right, prob in her 60s or so, was pretty awful. The same lady from my last entry who thought you only needed 4 cards to make a straight. Anyway we had been pretty friendly to each other (i always try to be in a live game, despite a few entries back when I got into it vs bald bull). Anyway, she had been showing her hands to me and i to her, etc. She was awful and I wanted her to have fun so she'd stick around, as it was clear she wasn't going to leave with any money left. disingenuous i guess... but that's poker.
Anyhoo, she had shown the ability to show up with any 2 cards in any situation, and didn't seem to have any grasp for what hands to bluff with, raise for value with, or just get to showdown with. It's true to a large degree w/ most live players, but for her it was an extreme. Let me give you an example. guy limps in MP, tight player raises in the CO, she calls with AQ in the blinds. Flop Kh Qx 5x. She checks, MP checks, CO bets like 45 into 80. She minraises to 90, MP cold calls, CO calls. Turn 6h so now the board is Kh Qx 5x 6h, pot is like 350. she checks, MP checks, CO checks. River 9h. She checks, MP bets 280, CO begrudingly folds, and now she checkraises him all in for like 350 more. He goes into the tank and finally decides he cannot fold (fearing the backdoor flush making it) and calls with JT, which is obv good. She shows her AQ and claims "damn, i thought by the way he was betting he was bluffing!!! I checkraise him because I thought he bluffed!" loool ?
Ok so given that, a hand several hours later came up where I played a big pot against her, and cost myself money. $10 straddle utg, folds to her on the button and she limps. I make it $50 from the sb w/ AQo, everyone folds to her, she calls. Flop A K 5 rainbow. I bet $75 into 100, she calls. Turn 2, I pot it for $250, she's looking at her chips, finally she calls. At this point, i'm putting her pretty squarely on an A, but she could easily have a set, any 2pair, or the gutshot. I wanted to get max value. She could even have a K potentially (in hindsight, at the time i assumed she'd fold a K on the turn, unless it was K4 for the gutshot or similar). So the river brings a 6, final board of A K 5 2 6. I decide to blocking bet $100. We've got about 500 left and the pot is big. this might be a bad but basically I felt like she could easily have any 2pair on this board, and I really didn't know where I was at, and I just wanted to get paid, but i wasn't thrilled about shoving it in (wasnt sure if i could get called by worse) and betting like 1/2 pot and having to call a shove wouldn't be fun either. She has no idea how much is in the pot, but she thinks $100 is a "big bet". I doubt she's the type to see weakness in it, but I could be wrong.
So she starts counting up her chips... about $500 starts stacking up her chips like she's going to shove it in. fuck.... while she's organizing her chips getitng ready to push, all i'm thinking about is "can i really call it off with 1pair here? she's terrible... could she really be value shoving a worse A? could she just shove in with whatever thinking i'm bluffing, even though she might have showdown value? is she even thinking about anything ? how can i figure it out?" what it boiled down to in my mind is that I don't want to be put to a tough decision for a crying call of $400 into a $1200 pot, where I'd prob have to make the call but I'd hate it. So I start asking her, as she's stacking up her chips getting ready to push "do you really have a good hand? I've got a pretty good hand" She said "you do ?" in a surprised tone. I'm like "yea, i mean, its not the nuts, but it's pretty good" she said "i have a good hand as well, is your hand better than mine?" I said "i'm not sure what you have..." so she said "well if i fold will you show me?" and i'm like "yea sure"
So she tanks for a while more, finally folds A4o (DOHHHH) and I turn over AQ. She said "damn i shouldn't have folded, we would have chopped" (keep in mind the board was A K 5 2 6 lol), the dealer said "no ma'am, he would have won, he had the best hand" she protested for a few more seconds then finally believed him. So the morale of the story is that by trying to avoid a tough spot getting 3:1 or so, letting her hang herself w/ TPNK, I open my big mouth and end up costing myself $500. UGH. On the bright side though, I didn't allow myself to make a huge mistake in a big pot.
lol livepokeraments.
Aaron
here's an interesting hand from last night's live session. 2-5nl caesars. lady on my right, prob in her 60s or so, was pretty awful. The same lady from my last entry who thought you only needed 4 cards to make a straight. Anyway we had been pretty friendly to each other (i always try to be in a live game, despite a few entries back when I got into it vs bald bull). Anyway, she had been showing her hands to me and i to her, etc. She was awful and I wanted her to have fun so she'd stick around, as it was clear she wasn't going to leave with any money left. disingenuous i guess... but that's poker.
Anyhoo, she had shown the ability to show up with any 2 cards in any situation, and didn't seem to have any grasp for what hands to bluff with, raise for value with, or just get to showdown with. It's true to a large degree w/ most live players, but for her it was an extreme. Let me give you an example. guy limps in MP, tight player raises in the CO, she calls with AQ in the blinds. Flop Kh Qx 5x. She checks, MP checks, CO bets like 45 into 80. She minraises to 90, MP cold calls, CO calls. Turn 6h so now the board is Kh Qx 5x 6h, pot is like 350. she checks, MP checks, CO checks. River 9h. She checks, MP bets 280, CO begrudingly folds, and now she checkraises him all in for like 350 more. He goes into the tank and finally decides he cannot fold (fearing the backdoor flush making it) and calls with JT, which is obv good. She shows her AQ and claims "damn, i thought by the way he was betting he was bluffing!!! I checkraise him because I thought he bluffed!" loool ?
Ok so given that, a hand several hours later came up where I played a big pot against her, and cost myself money. $10 straddle utg, folds to her on the button and she limps. I make it $50 from the sb w/ AQo, everyone folds to her, she calls. Flop A K 5 rainbow. I bet $75 into 100, she calls. Turn 2, I pot it for $250, she's looking at her chips, finally she calls. At this point, i'm putting her pretty squarely on an A, but she could easily have a set, any 2pair, or the gutshot. I wanted to get max value. She could even have a K potentially (in hindsight, at the time i assumed she'd fold a K on the turn, unless it was K4 for the gutshot or similar). So the river brings a 6, final board of A K 5 2 6. I decide to blocking bet $100. We've got about 500 left and the pot is big. this might be a bad but basically I felt like she could easily have any 2pair on this board, and I really didn't know where I was at, and I just wanted to get paid, but i wasn't thrilled about shoving it in (wasnt sure if i could get called by worse) and betting like 1/2 pot and having to call a shove wouldn't be fun either. She has no idea how much is in the pot, but she thinks $100 is a "big bet". I doubt she's the type to see weakness in it, but I could be wrong.
So she starts counting up her chips... about $500 starts stacking up her chips like she's going to shove it in. fuck.... while she's organizing her chips getitng ready to push, all i'm thinking about is "can i really call it off with 1pair here? she's terrible... could she really be value shoving a worse A? could she just shove in with whatever thinking i'm bluffing, even though she might have showdown value? is she even thinking about anything ? how can i figure it out?" what it boiled down to in my mind is that I don't want to be put to a tough decision for a crying call of $400 into a $1200 pot, where I'd prob have to make the call but I'd hate it. So I start asking her, as she's stacking up her chips getting ready to push "do you really have a good hand? I've got a pretty good hand" She said "you do ?" in a surprised tone. I'm like "yea, i mean, its not the nuts, but it's pretty good" she said "i have a good hand as well, is your hand better than mine?" I said "i'm not sure what you have..." so she said "well if i fold will you show me?" and i'm like "yea sure"
So she tanks for a while more, finally folds A4o (DOHHHH) and I turn over AQ. She said "damn i shouldn't have folded, we would have chopped" (keep in mind the board was A K 5 2 6 lol), the dealer said "no ma'am, he would have won, he had the best hand" she protested for a few more seconds then finally believed him. So the morale of the story is that by trying to avoid a tough spot getting 3:1 or so, letting her hang herself w/ TPNK, I open my big mouth and end up costing myself $500. UGH. On the bright side though, I didn't allow myself to make a huge mistake in a big pot.
lol livepokeraments.
Aaron
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